Showing posts with label Loudhailer. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Loudhailer. Show all posts

Thursday, 26 May 2016

And then there was one

Well it seems Riveroak are the only player left in the long running Manston saga. Story from the Thanet Gazette
"Thanet council is expected to take no further action in looking for an indemnity partner for the compulsory purchase of Manston airport - but has claimed two groups are interested in buying the site.
Thanet council carried out a soft market testing exercise to seek interest for a CPO partner after American firm RiverOak was rejected by the authority for a second time in October.
A Prior Information Notice calling for expressions of interest was opened on Friday, January 15.
Five were received by the deadline of February 9.
The interested parties were then given until February 12 to respond to a follow-up questionnaire.
Three of these were deemed valid.
But Thanet council did receive interest from other parties, prompted by the CPO soft market testing process.
One party is approaching the current owners, Stone Hill Park, to negotiate a purchase and so did not participate in the soft market testing process.
Thanet council says that group is backed by sovereign wealth funds and potentially public sector pension funds and is considering investing up to £150million. This would be subject to a feasibility study showing that investment in the airport makes economic sense.
Another party also wanted to express interest in acquiring the site and was also directed to talk to Stone Hill Park bosses
In a report due to go to Cabinet members on June 16 Director of Corporate Governance Tim Howes states: "Based on the assessment one can draw the conclusions that in terms of the key lines of enquiry, the market cannot deliver on the council's requirements; there is no established market which is able to deliver, or an adequate number of operators; the market has no capacity to deliver the requirements and there is no cost or other benefits in taking this matter further."

Mr Howes recommends Thanet council: "take no further action in respect of the interested parties."



Council leader Chris Wells said: "The sovereign wealth fund group came to us through contact with SuMA (Supporters of Manston Airport) and that has been a very interesting development and one that we will continue to pursue - but not in the context of a CPO which they are not interested in.
"East Kent Chamber of Commerce have also been involved in engaging this potential new investor and the chamber and ourselves continue to engage with those who would make investments in Thanet."
Cllr Wells said the outcome would be down to market negotiations between the would-be investor and Stone Hill Park.
So what will it cost the one single investor who thinks they might invest up to £150M. Well 2500 houses planned at a cost of £200K each equates to £500M potential and that's a conservative estimate. So ask yourself reader would you sell out?
So how is the DCO going with Riveroak. The continue to discuss matters with the Planning Authority and little notes keep popping up from the PA. The latest is here (link to latest note)

So far so good
So we still have the terrible idea of at least 12000 aircraft movements including nightflights over this area 
So it seems that the LEGAL owners of Manston (Stone Hill Park) have refused to let Riveroak in. I wonder why? Maybe its to do with their failure to tell anyone how much of the land they want to steal.
RiverOak's lawyers, BDB submitted a 6(1)(b) notification as specified in Regulation 6(3) of the Infrastructure Planning (Environmental Impact Assessment) Regulations 2009, but it was missing a required piece of information. (* a red lined map of the area )
This is what regulation 6 of those regulations require to be submitted when a notification is made regarding an EIA, such as the notification submitted by BDB on behalf of RiverOak.

(3) A request or notification under paragraph (1) must be accompanied by—

(a)a plan sufficient to identify the land;

(b)a brief description of the nature and purpose of the development and of its possible effects on the environment;

(c)such other information or representations as the person making the request may wish to provide or make.
The missing information was the area to be covered by the DCO.

Seems like RO aren't keen on disclosing which bit of land they want to compulsorily purchase. Is it because they don't know (which would be amazing after 2 years)? Or are they trying to hide something?
My guess is they don't want to disclose the red lined plan showing which land they want to include in the DCO. Could it include the housing behind Jentex? Or the cottages close to Helicharter? That would be contentious.
(Thanks for the clarification Marie)
 Michael Child poses the following point
"The Planning inspectorate have said in their advice that it is important that interested parties consult with RiverOak now i.e. in this pre statutory consultation stage, because the statutory consultation is front loaded.
I take this to mean that unless the content of the statutory consultation is decided by all of the interested parties then it is unlikely to be an effective part of the DCO. However RiverOak so far don’t seem to have answered any correspondence from interested parties."
Personally I, and many others, seriously thing Riveroak are attempting to make their consultation as difficult as humanly possible for any one to complain about what they are up to. 3 meetings with Parish Councils poorly advertised and no opportunity to give and accept feedback. A website that doesn't respond to any comments. Riveroak being based in the US of A not answering emails. No UK based  point of contact. It really is a nonsense.
So how are the pro airport people taking it. Funny you should ask
Dot I have some bad news for you and, of course, a correction. Firstly I am real unfortunately for you and I take exception to your scurrilousness lies. How very dare you talk about me behind my back especially when you dislike me talking about you. Now the correction: You have this arse about face your friends and colleagues are the ones threatening to shoot Gloag and do nothing else but make nasty vicious comments about anyone not pro airport including me, Marie and Robert Bird. So just imagine if you and your friends hadn't made those threatening comments we would have nothing to talk about.
 I do agree Dot SMA are "petty and ridiculous". Just so you understand you continue to make nasty comments about me and I will give you the publicity you richly deserve.
To Continue
SMA's fall out continues
Yes Dot you are viewed as the mouthpiece of Riveroak, You are hostile to anyone not toeing your party line. You are also nasty, vindictive and out of control.
Oh and putting more pressure on TDC planning to get your petty, vile and unneeded view across is again why the normal people of this world dislike SMA so much.

Saturday, 19 December 2015

its paramount or bust

Further to Riveroak getting the cold shoulder from TDC for the 2nd time they have pushed the boat out even further this time.

They are applying to the Government for a Development Consent Order (DSO) which is awarded for projects that meet the requirement of national significance.

"Manston was closed in May last year after wracking up losses of more than £100 million during 16 years of private ownership."
 
"A Development Consent Order (DCO) is the means of obtaining permission for developments categorised as Nationally Significant Infrastructure Projects (NSIP). This includes energy, transport, water and waste projects. Development Consent Orders are required for designated Nationally Significant Infrastructure Projects rather than other consents such as planning permission, listed building consent and compulsory purchase orders. "

This is from a Government that has rejected Manston twice under the Davies Committee.

Now the Pro supporters are happy again, so happy in fact they have started to threaten once again this time on Kentonline link here


  Its a strange world we live in where it is a badge of pride to be banned from commentating on a local newspaper but par for the course for Pro Manston supporters. Oh and Keith "Blue Sky thinking" isn't Paul Abela so you can't commit actual bodily harm as you have no idea who it is. And further Churchy boy you are free to comment on here if you have it in you. Unlike "Manston Load Hailer" where you say one thing and do something different in reality.

BTW Manston supporters can you read and have you read this (link here). This is what it says before you apply.

Pre-application

The process begins when the Planning Inspectorate is informed by a developer that they intend to submit an application to us in the future. Before submitting an application, the developer is required to carry out extensive consultation on their proposals. The length of time taken to prepare and consult on the project will vary depending upon its scale and complexity. Responding to the developer’s pre-application consultation is the best time to influence a project, whether you agree with it, disagree with it or believe it could be improved.

Sunday, 22 November 2015

The case of mistaken identity

It's amazing what can happen when you happen to get a letter of the week published in Kentonline especially when you have an insular group of conspiracy theorists who wind themselves up into a frenzy and who fail to have anyone grounded in reality.
Robert Bird sent the offending letter and I have posted it above, however because it wasn't complimentary to the pro-Manston crowd they were quite upset so on a slow Saturday they decided to work out who Rob Bird was,
 In full flow they identify him as Robert Bird a LibDem KCC Councillor
 Oh Paul your perceptiveness is a joy to behold Shoes!!! same name!!!
 Very clever deductions OMG and Dan Light "He could really be for the high jump"

Maybe a warning would help
Knowing they read my tweets this was sent to a friend. Did it work? sadly no
Maybe someone posting to their FB page dropping heavy hints they are barking up the wrong tree might help

"Mistaken Identity results in Hate Campaign


A KCC Councillor has been singled out and made a target for abuse, after protesters wrongly accused him of being an internet troll.

Sharp eyed members of a group trying to save a now closed commercial airport, who pride themselves in their ability to join the jots, declared the Councillor guilty as charged in one of their infamous online kangaroo court hearings.

The compelling presenting evidence against the Councillor - which included the birth name given to him by his parents and the fact he has a beard - was further compounded by in-depth forensic analysis of his footwear.

The jury pondered for around 12 minutes before reaching a unanimous decision of GUILTY!

The Shoe is the Sign


It has been ordered that the Councillor be sentenced to an overflowing inbox of hate email, a twitter campaign to 'out' him, alongside ubiquitous random accusation and slurring of his innocent name on facebook.

He will not be entitled to an appeal." Original post

Did that stop them speculating? Did it heck it seems to confirm to them they were right and the warning were an attempt to put them off the scent

Super sleuth Dan Light on top form.

From a Psychological point of view this could get someone a dissertation degree and it goes back to Groupthink which I discussed here.

BTW Some advice for would be sleuths and reporters get some confirmation of your facts BEFORE you make unfounded accusations especially on the clues you have. one picture (wrong) a pair of shoes (wrong) and a malfunction of a twitter account.

Seems the owner of the shoes isn't Rob Bird
posted 2311/2015
Still believe then Dan Light. This rather shows your gullibility notice Smee has taken a back seat