Thursday 18 August 2016

A modern coup

With support for Manston waning and Beau Webber and Robert John Pritchard in charge of the committee it had become apparent that the membership had lost confidence in the "Powers That Be" at the top of the Save Manston Association (SMA). This was more than apparent at Minnis Bay recently when the "Glorious Leader" set up a stall.
Some of the decisions taken by the committee have seemed very strange, with the recent support for Riveroak's Pre-Consultation taken to a new level of stupidity. Even the Planning Institute saying "don't do it" They went ahead and leading lights in the SMA being "Meeters and Greeters" and they even supplied the Security for the event. Well the results were predictable please read a sample.
 David Davidge, a security guard in his day job seems to think this is extremely funny forgetting that this has reflected badly on the SMA Committee's decision to get involved in the first place.

To digress slightly SMA was set up to try and get Manston reopened, however it wasn't set up to reopen Manston at any cost and that's what seems to have happened, and whether the recent actions will change this only time will tell.

Well what has happened with the Facebook page?

By Beau Webber | 2016-08-18 The Chairman, Officers and all but one of the Committee of the Save Manston Airport association have had their Facebook admin powers removed and most have been removed from the Save Manston Airport site.

We have confirmed that all the independent moderators (who act to keep the SMA page “clean”) have had their moderating powers removed.

The “founder” of SMA (2014) Dan Light, and the then Chairman Keith Churcher voluntarily relinquished the group (then ~3,000 members) to the management of an SMA Committee in 2014, led by Chairman Dr. Beau Webber. The legitimacy of the Committee was further established by an SGM in 2014 and an AGM in early 2016.

We have evidence that Dan Light has recently assumed dictatorial powers on the SMA site (now ~10,200 members), adding and deleting posts and members without discussion, and has now removed the Admin and other powers of the Chairman, Officers and all but one Member of the Committee of Management on the Facebook site, and has blocked the Chairman and others from access to the site. The actions taken by the Founder do not affect the powers of the Chairman, Officers or other Committee members within the governance of the Save Manston Airport ASSOCIATION.


So it looks like Keith Churcher and Dan Light have taken over the Facebook page however it seems the Real World Committee have decided that they will have to start again on FB. Now it makes you wonder which group will win out and whether either have any friends outside of their narrow world.

One of the main issues with the SMA campaign was the personal abuse directed at anyone who didn't share their viewpoint. Whether Keith and Dan can control the alleged 10000 members is also another moot point. They have so alienated TDC that it is doubtful TDC will ever support them especially if they continue to support a Freight Hub as envisaged by Tony Freudmann and Niall Lawlor. It is clear from the Pre-Consultations that Neither gentlemen want anything to do with TDC the local authority that controls the area of Manston.

Taken from replies given at the pre-consultation



·         “Niall Lawlor said that the Leader of TDC is in bed with the two guys who own the site who want to build 2500-3000 houses. He said: “Why do you think we went to the Planning inspectorate? I took it away from Thanet Council.”
 ·         “A gentleman asked how many planes they needed a day to break even. Mr Freudmann said maybe three or four. The man asked how many jobs it takes to service three or four planes a day. Tony Freudmann said: “probably about 50”. The man said: “So that's what we're talking about. The virtual destruction of Ramsgate for 50 jobs.” 

·         “I asked about night flights. RiverOak say they want to emulate East Midlands Airport and they have dozens of night flights every night. He said that he wasn’t saying that RiverOak needed night flights but that the Planning Inspectorate had asked RiverOak what they were going to say in their consultation about night flights. He said that they had to include night flights because the Planning Inspectorate said that they were mandating Heathrow, Gatwick, Stanstead, Luton and every other major airport in the South East to come up with a policy for potential night flight traffic. The Inspectorate had said: “We cannot have you involved in the DCO when we are seeking to potentially do a DCO on Heathrow and we have not asked you to do a review on night flights.” What on earth does this mean?”
“Mr Lawlor said that Thanet Council was “duplicitous” and that they had been supposed to be backing RiverOak. He said that he had told them that to their faces and that he was gladly saying it here as well.
“Mr Lawlor agreed that his aim was for a cargo airport the size of East Midlands. He then said that that's not a lucrative proposition. The lucrative proposition is a mechanised assembly line doing aircraft recycling. So it looks as if the cargo idea is just an excuse to get hold of the site. I reminded him that the application to the Planning Inspectorate is on the basis of a cargo hub airport and that a recycling unit for planes is not a national asset.”
“I asked Tony Freudmann about night flights. He said that they might need them but had no plans as yet. I asked him whether or not a lot of cargo operators say they need night flights. He agreed that they did. He also agreed that cargo operators pretty much determine the flying schedule that they want from an airport. I’m conscious that this is the man who managed to negotiate TDC into accepting unlimited, unscheduled night flights of planes as big as a 747-400. He knows he’ll need night flights if RiverOak get hold of this airport.”  

So will anything change? Well the past doesn't bode well for the future. Certainly Beau and Pritchard have done their campaign no favours and Pritchard's support for the disgrace Collins and Smith have alienated many in the campaign. (seems supporting a liar and cheat is fine)

Also treating people who have a different opinion as badly as they have done doesn't bode well for how they take it forward. The whole campaign which included death threats, raking through the past, personal abuse etc. These will all need burying because if it's same as before then neither party will be able to continue. 
Maybe it's about time for apologies to be made and the removal of the nasty element from their pages. Maybe its past time to make the group open instead of a closed hidden group. Think of Groupthink.

If anything changes then I'll ramble on further
Statement from Dan Light
 Dear members

Those who have been here for a long time will know that I was the original founder of the Save Manston Airport Facebook group way back at the start of 2014. To new members, welcome.

Today there have been several changes made to the Save Manston Airport Facebook group. This morning I removed all admin, moderators and committee when it became apparent that an alternative secret Facebook group had been set up without my knowledge. I took this decision for the good of the group as I did not like the direction my group was taking. Many of you have mentally switched off, and have felt you cannot discuss certain things for fear of getting shouted down; the campaign was starting to lose a lot of puff, there were no guts left in it left in it, and people were becoming disillusioned.

I have listened to many of you who have messaged me and spoken to me, and took this decision, to steer this whole thing back on track; at the moment we need people on our side. Unfortunately we alienated a lot of important people who could actually work with us and help us. I was not of the same opinion as others on the committee, and after countless talks falling on deaf ears this was another reason to make drastic changes. I was on my own, alienated, I wasn't listened to and when I tried to put forward my concerns I was talked down to like a child. My opinion as founder didn't matter it seems, and I also found, whilst at work, things were going on behind my back on which I had no say, which really hurt the campaign badly. I could not trust the people who were supposed to be working with me, not against me.

I understand this may come as a shock to some of you, and if you want to leave due to the changes that is your choice and I accept that. If you want to carry on being a member of John Pritchard and Beau Webber's formal Association please do so here https://www.facebook.com/groups/savemanstonairportassociation/
They are governed by a formal constitution. I feel that on a Facebook group there is no need for that and that is one of the reasons why the group lost its appeal. They are welcome to carry on with their formal campaign and I formally relinquish anything to do with it.

In the meantime this campaign will once again grow legs and get back to basics like it was at the very start. We will allow differing opinions in the group about RiverOak and also about other investors; no one will be shouted down for their views. The people now administering the group (not a committee) want to make a change for the better and carry this on in the way it was intended right from the start. There will be rules but more about that later.

I hope you do decide stay and carry on the fight with us; if you feel you can't you are more than welcome to leave and I will respect that. Let’s move forwards in saving Manston Airport.

NEVER SURRENDER!!

27 comments:

  1. What's happened to all the money that SMA raised over the last two years? Has it been entrusted to the financial disaster that is Prittstick for safe keeping? Because the new group have no rights to it, as SMA is entirely constituted around Dan Light's Facebook group.

    And why didn't the SMA accounts get published at this year's AGM? Is it because there's something to hide?

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    1. Well I hope that Dan Light doesn't get accused of stealing the money after accusing you Barry of fleeing Ramsgate with FORS paperwork.

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  2. Double Agents,Spies,Over Lords;I wonder who will take the blame when the Truth comes out on the Manston/RivernoOaktrees surport from all the said save Manston Airfeild groups? 100/1 sir Roger Gale will not be standing sholder to sholder with anyone including hes 'Buddy' one Antony Freudmann.Humpty Dumpty. P.S the northside asked by Freudmann in early 2014 woz not 1000 propertys as stated everywhere it was infact '800' as David Smith CBE KCC told me,which would of been noted at THE meeting.Dot the i's & cross the t's.

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  3. SMA has never been a properly run or properly constituted group. This has allowed Beau to claim 10,000 "members" when what he means is that they have 10,000 people who have been allowed to access their Facebook page. Donations have been sloshing around and who knows where they've gone?

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    1. There was a non-constitutional lack of any accounts published at the AGM. Given Pilchards experience of managing money, who knows where the SMA faithfuls funds might end up.

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  4. How contaminated is the aquifer?

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    1. Ask Southern Water?

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    2. The answer is 'DEADLY' 14:22

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    3. 14:22 You could even ask the MP sir Roger Gale to ask for you,thats his Job and what he gets paid for? So Im 'lead down the Garden path' to Belive.Give it a go and see for yourself his reaction.

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    4. Is it drinkable for ay children?

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    5. 14:46 To be on the safe side I would say NO it isn't safe long term as with some investigation you will see for yourself.

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  5. Now that UKIP won last nights Northwood election I wonder which Pro Manston group they will lean towards?

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  6. I would imagen that the info UKIP received in mid 2014 UKIP will be bending over backwards to lean away from ALL pro Manston groups,for their own shake's.

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  7. Freudmann is on a tasty retainer and will no doubt try and string the gullible fools on SMA and RO along as long as possible.

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    1. As to Freudmann stringing the gullible at SMA along this is sure.sir Roger Gale's string!thats not forget,and as to RO they know full well the real tricky deal.

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  8. And now the new and improved SMAA have sent out an email briefing, which uses the airport as a postal address for the group lol. Wonder what SHP will do with their mail lol!

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    1. 08:14...SHP can deal with the SMAA mail like any other Junk mail.

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  9. galerj@parliament.uk

    Email the chap. Post his replies.

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    1. I have emailed Roger in the past and the reply was...{ 0 } just like RiverOak and the same from Freudmann Narder,Nothing,Nish.chinless wonders the lot of them.

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    2. Maybe you just aint trying hard enough. Gale can be relied on usually to send angry reply and a follow up threatening legal action. Standard form is write back advising Gale of pre action protocol and inviting a claim letter. Then he defaults to not answering.

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  10. sir Roger Gale sending me no replies comment i just made to Richard Card 09:43 woz the Mystery bidder who was in cohotts with the Anex Avation team back in early 2014 in which sir Roger Gale made statements to people and on the local news.
    Regards Paul Fay...Humpty Dumpty.

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  11. People with somethink to hide 9/10 times default to no reply as Gale is a master at,but if you found yourself on an answer from Gale he would look you in the eyes while doing his Best to belittle you and tell a lie,that's the Gale I've and many others have had the so called honner to have had him darken my day with.

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  12. How do you conclude support for Manston is waning ? Riveroak will be starting formal consultation shortly leading to a formal application for the DCO. The Avia report should be available this week and is likely to confirm as the Falcon report did that with circa £200m a cargo airport would be viable which is the size of investment Riveroak are promoting. Don't see anything has changed other than the objections to the SHP plans have been numerous and serious.

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  13. Did You see Roger Gale on the news going on about school uniforms,wasn't looking his best one has to wonder why?...Waning would be a understatement in Rogers case not only the truth is leaking from here,there and everywhere on RiverOaks plans Rogers past is coming to light as well it should.

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  14. Once again on behalf of many I would like to Thank You Barry for all the hard time consumption that you have made time for bringing to light many facts and helping people see just whot has/is happened/ing in the Thanet area.This blog not only has opened peoples eyes/minds but their responses have opened other questions.Some day I shall personaly like to shake your hand.

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  15. Penny Button at TDC, as expected, was unable to answer FOIs. I have briefly reported these facts, of TDC inability to account for compliance with Aaarhus, to Secretary of State.

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