Friday, 8 July 2016

What do Friends of Ramsgate Seafront exist for?

In September 2014, whilst still the Treasurer of the constituted group I announced at a committee meeting that I was moving to Southampton as I was going to become a grandfather in May 2015. I made arrangement to sell up my business in the Medway Towns (anyone who has sold housing knows how long that takes) and get the business up and running in Hampshire. At the time the committee consisted of a few stalwarts like Dave Steele, Kandy Jones and a couple of others and thoughts were on managing Winterstoke Gardens and the possibility of another music festival.
However it became clear that Kandy was not going to have a festival working with Angela Stevens and by January it was clear it wasn't happening.
Reward for all an offshoot of the National Lottery Fund had granted us £10K towards the festival and it became clear this money would have to be returned as soon as it hit FORS bank account.
Mum became ill early February and was taken to A&E where I stayed all night. When I returned home to change clothes I received a phone call from Jones ranting at me over some FB comments and I realised that she had completely lost it. (She apologised later but it seems that was fake as well).
Communications were curtailed after that and I dealt with another committee member for the return of the unneeded monies and collated accounts up to and including the end of March and returned same to another committee member for safekeeping.
John Davis had never been part of FORS not even when it was a steering group. I have never met the man and I suspect neither had any of the original FORS members.
To make it 100% clear there has NEVER been any Covenant in any paperwork owned by FORS neither has there EVER been any mention of a Covenant at any meeting attended by either the steering group or FORS when it became constituted in November 2013.
This story is entirely a figment of John Davis's imagination and its terminology is incorrect as if it existed it would be a restrictive covenant attached to a piece of land registered at HM Land Registry.
The Covenant wasn't burnt in any fire at Ramsgate Library. What was stored in the basement at Ramsgate Library was old files pertaining to Ramsgate Corporation which was merged into TDC in 1974. Ramsgate Library isn't Land Registry and if it existed it would still be registered not lost in a fire in August 2004. Neither could it be in Janet and Geoff Woods files as they would have used it against Ezekiel's administration in 2004 when they campaigned against Royal Sands in 2004.
Neither have I kept it, destroyed it, or otherwise disposed of it because it doesn't exist. John Davis seems to believe in the existence of an imaginary piece of paper and it subverting a constituted group for his own ends. I will make this clear he has no personal knowledge of myself and can only have gossip pumped into his ear by a deranged person or people.
Yes John, research done by Janet and Geoff and myself. Janet's was borrowed and photocopied and returned. John's grasp of reality is extremely strange especially as he has no 1st hand knowledge of events. I doubt he can name any of the steering group, when and where they met and how many petitions they presented to TDC. Maybe he can explain just why no one used a restrictive covenant for leisure when the campaign ran from late 2012 to Feb 2014 to stop the Royal Sands from being built on.
Now as I said I have NEVER had any personal dealing with the man so all his information must come from someone close to him but it is obvious he has no idea how long I lived in Ramsgate nor has he any idea of how to conduct himself in a public forum either.


So John I saw you discussing this with ex-councillor Vincent Munday some while ago, and do you remember the advise he gave you. "Put up or shut up" when are you going to take that advise and while you are at it wheedling yourself into a constituted group to subvert it takes a special kind of person.

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  1. Hello Barry,(IF)a Covenant did come to light what use would it be to these people?

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  2. Looking at the Warre Rec issues, where they want to build a fire station, which was given to the people of Ramsgate over 100 years ago it seems a Restrictive Covenant means little.

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  3. In a round about way that gives myself a clue on why these people are banging on about said Covenant but why attack You?,a record of this document which has vanished from a computer data base could be brought back to light or at least it be shown that something was cleaned on such a date&time and by whom.This not being the case then therefore the 'Covenant' must be a storyboard for another resource to get at something else for reasons that maybe you have a clue on or not.

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    1. If kandy Jones were to be believed on the couple of the team paying a few quid to get a copy from the land register office then why do you think that they in todays world of Hi Tec did not copy this information into their personal files for future reference,1)It's all a story 2)They are all stupid,what ever the case its looking like a conspiracy if ever I saw one.

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    2. A conspiracy to defame more like

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    3. A conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy no matter what!

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    4. It can only be a conspiracy if this magical piece of paper exists, so far just insults on FORS but no proof my boy

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    5. When two or more people get together and talk about putting together a plan like'lets attack Mr James'then by definition that is a conspiracy which in turn shows that these people will conspire to anything that suits themselves old chap.

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  4. Anon 17:27 it does seem to me that they have, over many yeas, failed to stop the build so they look for any chance to dump their guilt onto someone else. They clutch at any straw however they cannot accept their collective failure.

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    1. Anon the initial failure was the granting of PP on the 28th January 2004, just 8 months before the fire in Ramsgate Library. So if Ramsgate Corp had gifted the land to the "people" prior to it being merged into TDC why is it no councillors have heard of it. As to why they pick on me would make a good dissertation subject for a Psychology student. Whether they walk round with tinfoil hats is another good question they certainly make everything a conspiracy

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  5. I see 18:00 but with a number of other contenders to choose from why do these people not only hound Mr James but make up stories to make him look like the pink panther amoung other titles.

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  6. Sound like a bunch of narcissists who create with and reinforce in each other a bogus version of reality. Similar to manston support group self styled defenders of blighty who see no absurdity in selling off a strategic blighty airfield to an unknown source of finance.

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  7. 1984 the year for Mysterious events in and atmround Thanet.

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    1. Enlighten us Anon 16:07. What happened in 1984?

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  8. Barry, it seems that John Davis is stalking you on Facebook.

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  9. 1984 policy cover Ups,Fire links,imprisonments,money movements,to name a few Anon 17:27.

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  10. Even if it existed, a covenant means nothing unless it is enforced. And the only people who can enforce it are the signatories. The lawyers will tell you differently (they get paid for spending time in court; they don't get paid for winning the case) but if the council chooses not to enforce a covenant there is little anyone can do.

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    1. Difficult to enforce what doesn't exist but your right why blame someone if you have the proof. Put your money where your mouth is Davis or do what Vincent Munday told you to do "put up or shut up!"

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  11. I think anon means our Cyril ? Forged dollars and qualifications. Sub machine gun toting accomplices. Bent coppers. Northumbria Police independent inquiry getting nowhere. Thanet CID advised to avoid company of certain local businessmen. ABA inquiry into Ramsgate Boxing Club charity tournaments. CID advised to avoid company of certain boxing club ctee businessmen.

    The emergence of a rogue element at a local gun club. Thanet getting its own wee private militia military cadet group. A clear out for political reasons of Thanet special constables.

    First reports of sabotage at Petbow A retired Brigadier reported Nazi paramilitary training activity at Deal Royal Marines Barracks.

    Pretty standard then.

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    1. Some of what Richard states at08:06 is still to this day happening.

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  12. So Barry the abuse continues on Social Media(Facebook) mainly instigated by those 2 vile, toxic middle aged men, John Davis, Chairman of the Constituted group Friends of Ramsgate Seafront and Chris Smee, a well know 'Journalist' in Thanet. Screenshots have been saved and if this carries on we might just send them to BBC South East. I'm sure they would love to know of his abusive behaviour on Social Media. Anons

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    1. I don't know nor have I met John Davis BUT I met the snicky ex reporter Chris( rosy cheeks ) Smee one of Roger Gales special mates.I would bet if any of you were to send screenshots or anything else against Smee then it would come to nothing as Gail would see to that! Give it a try and see what happens for yourselves,this sort of behaviour has been going on for years from the likes of Smee&Co I would have something to add to the unexpected outcome which would most certainly happen!

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    2. The FORS facebook page is becoming more like a 'banter' page for personal abuse and swearing and the admin allow it. How can they be taken seriously lol

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    3. Anon 07:42 they can't be taken seriously it's a UKIP run page plus the usual plane spotters with their childish comments. I thought Beau told them to behave.

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  13. What I really find strange is the original steering group worked for 12 months including petitions signed in Ramsgate to stop the Freehold being sold yet not once was a Covenant mentioned. Only mentioned when Davis wormed his way into the group after May 2015

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  14. Is it a possibility that Davis or persons unknown put together a moody covenant for some strange? Reson showed it around then got rid of it,or do I have a strange way of thinking?

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  15. Last night Kandy Jones told them to stop with the personal abuse on FORS Facebook page as she was tired with the constant battles and personal jibes. But have they taken any notice, nah. Now another admin has had her say calling you 'Unpleasant' Barry. Talk about pot kettle black. If you have had enough Kandy Jones then I suggest you turn off comments on there. These are adults acting like bullies in the school playground. This is not doing FORS constituted group any good allowing this to happen. My advice to you Barry IS, to ignore them. They are seriously not worth it.

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    1. I have been told anon however logic never was their strong suit. When they learn about cause and effect then they might understand that the problem lies in their ignorance. Don't accuse without proof and screenprints will not be posted.

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    2. Barry why won't you post screen prints, you're happy to post screen prints yourself from Sma etc etc

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  16. I'm not good a technology,is it possible to put a screenprint/photo onto this blog and if so how.Regards Edward

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  17. Not sure you can Edward but you can email it.

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  18. Email it to where?

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  19. Hi there just came across this blog 'What do Friends of Ramsgate Seafront exist for?'.After reading this blog ive still got no idear!anybody care to enlighten me or is it just a group of troublemakers with some good ones who would really of liked to make the the Ramsgate área as was again?

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    1. Yours Anon 22.36 is what is called a ruddy good question.

      I attempt to put an answer in historical and philosophical context

      HISTORICAL

      Traditionally in Ramsgate we had "Mr Ramsgate" Ralph Hoult struggling, like a hero, to do good stuff in and for Ramsgate.

      Then social media and a sadly typical TDC cock up combined forces and brought about a change of standards vis a vis trying to do good stuff in Ramsgate. In the past my wife and might toddle into Ralph's photography shop and donate fifty quid towards a sea cadet being sent on training on a tall ship or some such. What was happening is Ralph was doing his Ralph stuff and we could make a donation, naff off and not get involved.

      But along came Royal Sands "Development" (sic) and the social media boom that empowered the rise of the internet hard man. And things got seedy.

      Internet malignant warriors could vent their hatred at anyone they could hang a label on.

      It seems that one such had a dream, by divine inspiration as his right as a prophet and seer, after some unhelpful source had introduced the word "Covenant" to him. He dreamed that all the time the Pleasurama site was an eyesore (18 years and counting) there had been a conspiracy to conceal the existence of a restrictive covenant on the site handed down by the almighty to Moses behind the cover of a burning bush.

      The psychology of such dreamers seems to dictate that they find a blame victim for a situation that never actually existed.

      And that blame victim became Barry. Clearly when he moved he had made off with the covenant in its own secure ark of the covenant cunningly disguised as a storage chest for the unwitting Pickfords men to load on the removal lorry.

      Then messages on social media like "We will have to send the boys round".

      These internet warriors appear to have no sense of humour. For example asked to clarify did they mean Bob a Job week ?

      PHILOSOPHY

      The act of inventing a fiction then citing it as proof of conclusion is a Begging the Question Fallacy

      A cruel philosophical point is that it is happening to Barry. So from my position on the touchline the situation is not without humour.


      I doubt that was helpful but I tried.

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    2. Hard men (or women) is a very poor description of people that hide behind a computer screen and belch vileness.
      Having been involved on the outside of this sorry group for several years they started well and put on a great music festival however since Barry went they have become insular and nasty.
      Barry is right Davis was never part of FORS he seems to have infiltrated the group and uses it as a platform for his own conspiracy theories

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    3. Wellwellwell that Belive it or not did kind of make sence to me Richard and thax Anon 19:11.Being a hiding computer Tuffy I would like to give Davis and the other Orrible FORS itsga a good verbal kicking but i hav'nt got the vocabulario or the guts otherwise i would join the FORS group.

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    4. Thanks 00 54 IMO there was a turning point in Thanet. 1983. An attitude propagated in a group of "Careful who you cross" mafia of the mediocre. Military fantasists. Villain fantasists. "Cheque book thugs"

      And the other thing that happened in 1983 is Thanet got a sort of monarchist league quality assurance certified MP called Roger.

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  20. Anyone make out sir Roger Gales latest update on Night flights,being in his local role as a friend of Ramsgate? Has changed hes tune.Sinking ship comes to mind.

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  21. It's on Top 4 sir Roger Gale! Crunch time,See now.

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