tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post2064746112034725249..comments2023-05-19T12:52:04.876+01:00Comments on Promote Ramsgate #truthwillout: Is reopening Manston as a freight hub a viable optionGod help ushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12726756701964575422noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-73789845914842760302017-11-30T18:06:55.469+00:002017-11-30T18:06:55.469+00:00I have been an avid supporter of all who have trie...I have been an avid supporter of all who have tried at Manston and have flown frtom there, but the airport has gone so now I put my support with Stonehill and I believe will be the winner winner chicken dinner.Don Woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17099505939055955603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-90553445727031960472017-08-08T17:59:14.138+01:002017-08-08T17:59:14.138+01:00"With reference to the above blog,you seem to..."With reference to the above blog,you seem to have missed or ignored the thrust of Dr Dixon's argument which is, that the cargo demand is not in the air; it is on the roads, because all the airports in SE England are either capped or at capacity causing freight for the UK to be delivered in Frankfurt or other European airports and driven here."<br />Did you read Dixon's fairy story Eagle? If so you are a muppet that isn't what she said. I would suggest that you get your little grey cells to have another look. £450 LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-87795307367307280792017-08-07T19:12:43.145+01:002017-08-07T19:12:43.145+01:00Mr Julian Eagle if you are hoping for a sensible d...Mr Julian Eagle if you are hoping for a sensible debate on Smaa I'm afraid you can forget it. The likes of Toy and Vince Francis have not got a clue. They resort to childish name calling. Vince Francis has no debating skills. He resorts to his usual 'toilet roll' jokes. I think it's him that needs them as he seems so fixated on Mr James. Smaa will never be taken seriously if that's all they can come up with, personal attacks. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-27933030010234536792017-08-07T16:04:12.819+01:002017-08-07T16:04:12.819+01:00Hey crutchless why are you whining about not being...Hey crutchless why are you whining about not being able to post, we all can. Was it something you said LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-10921260568287047492017-08-07T12:54:29.334+01:002017-08-07T12:54:29.334+01:00Whoever you are this DCO is holding back developme...Whoever you are this DCO is holding back development of the site and is damaging job prospects in Thanet. <br />An example of this is when Ramsgate Airport finally closed in 1969 with the loss of 29 jobs. Pysons replaced it with a gain of over 200 jobs.God help ushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726756701964575422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-90925001965774905652017-08-07T12:52:15.067+01:002017-08-07T12:52:15.067+01:00Debate Julian you are having a laugh Total Airfrei...Debate Julian you are having a laugh Total Airfreight 2016 2.38M Tonnes. Total airfreight 2012 2.30M Tonnes. Total airfreight 2006 2.31M Tonnes. As someone said earlier should have gone to specsavers. At least make an effort and read the blog post.<br />In case you haven't realised the difference Sally Dixon's figures are a FORECAST you will only know the truth if the DCO succeeds there are no guarentees. The figures I posted are actual figures based on truth unlike Sally Dixons.<br />As I posted earlier can you manage to post a bank statement with the actual amount in RSP's bank account or is that a fairy story as well.God help ushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726756701964575422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-9052236768383009552017-08-07T10:25:15.105+01:002017-08-07T10:25:15.105+01:00Richard 10:08 - this is horrifying that TDC and po...Richard 10:08 - this is horrifying that TDC and pout councilors and Gale/Mackinlay are allowing such pollution. Which of them have made a public statement? If not why not? and when will they?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-27253600564720266362017-08-07T09:53:02.152+01:002017-08-07T09:53:02.152+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12088795141558574895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-52469191032695642102017-08-07T09:20:43.114+01:002017-08-07T09:20:43.114+01:00If the airport is a dead duck and Riveroak are onl...If the airport is a dead duck and Riveroak are only in it to build houses can I just ask why there is such a fuss being made by the usual suspects? If you are so confident it won't work then you only have to sit back and watch it fail.<br />Unless of course you are worried that it will succeed and therefore all your negativity and scaremongering is just that? <br />What is it Barry?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-57763329696790579032017-08-07T09:09:33.492+01:002017-08-07T09:09:33.492+01:00Barry, Your data (FYA JE) is five years out of dat...Barry, Your data (FYA JE) is five years out of date, what part of post Brexit (referendum) do you not understand. Again you have revealed that you have not bothered to read the material that is publicly available because the RSP plan is staged over 15 years with the phase 1, 9 aircraft stand development costed at £25 million so your data is out of date and accordingly biased.<br /><br />I am sorry Barry but if you cannot be bothered to read the material I can't be bothered to debate any further <br /><br />JulianAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17937356973037817329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-85083154840976978262017-08-07T09:02:43.334+01:002017-08-07T09:02:43.334+01:00You are a complete idiot Julian and you should hav...You are a complete idiot Julian and you should have gone to specsavers. Your comments on that insular Manston group are complete lies and if you had read Dixon's reports you would have known she also posted a disclaimer. MoronAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-86434667185921033172017-08-06T21:12:54.482+01:002017-08-06T21:12:54.482+01:00"you have said (on Twitter) that UK airfreigh..."you have said (on Twitter) that UK airfreight has "flatlined" when the evidence for post Brexit growth all aviation is common knowledge, I have supplied you with just one piece (that you have ignored) other evidence is legion with more coming almost daily." <br />You call this common knowledge when Brexit hasn't happened and no one knows what this will mean for import or export business. To rely on "evidence" from RSP is ludicrous in the extreme but I suppose someone has to when they are clutching at straws.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-64927568948887252032017-08-06T16:14:07.261+01:002017-08-06T16:14:07.261+01:00Julian Eagle if that is your real name why do you ...Julian Eagle if that is your real name why do you persist in flogging a dead horse. Looking at the standard of debate on SMAa you are preaching to the hard of thinking.<br />I note you make a comment about Barry not understanding about "belly cargo" however I rather think it's you that doesn't understand. Fraudman already stated he wouldn't be competing with Heathrow so what part of "not competing" is it you do not understand?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-29630498569416215092017-08-06T13:52:18.726+01:002017-08-06T13:52:18.726+01:00Julian I note that the replies from the same suspe...Julian I note that the replies from the same suspects on SMAa are just personal attacks and not debates still if you feel that a group with just supporters vindicates your virtue and massages your ego then all I can say is thanks for posting this blog to a wider audience. <br />Now to some reality, which you find difficult to accept, the blog is made up of research by me and also the Ramsgate Society. Together we came to the same conclusion RSP aren't playing with a full deck. Sally Dixon used statistics to produce a result that met the needs of her clients. They have already apologised for the misleading jobs totals and although you have again said she is an aviation expert you have failed to produce any evidence that she has ever run an airport.<br />The "evidence" for aviation growth is just that and does not relate to 1. The UK or 2. Airfreight. It is based on a report by Boeing which relates to worldwide passenger growth.<br />I have posted the CAA evidence which is correctly identified in my portion above and also correctly identified by "The Ramsgate Society" However what SMAa and you have difficulty in is accepting facts which don't link to your dreams of planes flying again. <br />I do however appreciate your efforts to increase the knowledge of those in SMAa however as I'm sure you know they really aren't interested and further some of their bully boy tactics leave a lot to be desired.<br />God help ushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726756701964575422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-54097858938305753002017-08-06T13:33:55.810+01:002017-08-06T13:33:55.810+01:00I see Mr Julian Eagle has posted your blog on Smaa...I see Mr Julian Eagle has posted your blog on Smaa, Barry James. Let the personal attacks begin. The usual suspects who cannot debate. I'm thinking they are a little jealous that you have a working airport in Southampton and they don't, shame lol. Talking about your involvement on Manston from Southampton don't they have supporters who do not live in Thanet, like Roy Davies who lives in Yorkshire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-64076163527331921242017-08-06T10:08:02.714+01:002017-08-06T10:08:02.714+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12088795141558574895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-15647390546409686522017-08-06T02:24:54.407+01:002017-08-06T02:24:54.407+01:00Julian Eagle The specialist DCO firm have only won...Julian Eagle The specialist DCO firm have only won when their clients have told them the truth with Freudmann at the helm and the tricks he has been upto the DCO crack team of Lawyers will be coming unstuck and if at the eleventh hour or before don't pull out the application( that hasnt really started jet) it will be a number one fail for them.HD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-19460714368292233762017-08-06T02:17:25.811+01:002017-08-06T02:17:25.811+01:00We can't at the stage give any hints we don...We can't at the stage give any hints we don't want to aleart RO as to have them act differently which would affect a law suit we are looking into our appolgies Mr Card at this time but please be assured all will become clear when that time is right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-36879889881042501272017-08-05T23:11:24.650+01:002017-08-05T23:11:24.650+01:00To recap: you have said (on Twitter) that UK airf...To recap: you have said (on Twitter) that UK airfreight has "flatlined" when the evidence for post Brexit growth all aviation is common knowledge, I have supplied you with just one piece (that you have ignored) other evidence is legion with more coming almost daily.<br /><br />You have said that Dr Dixon's work is partisan and "a stitch up"; this reveals that you do not understand the purpose and method of peer reviewing which, since time immemorial has been used to vet all research and prevent that very occurrence (Avia was not peer reviewed and also has been considered and rejected by PINS).<br />You ask "why did Dr Dixon not address" your fictional view of "flatline" demand when the whole thrust of her cargo analysis addresses that very issue, so you clearly have not read her work.<br /><br />Thank you for telling me that you are an accountant and not a aviation Phd from Cranfield business university, like the aviation specialist whose five volumes of work you feel is threatened by your one page blog.<br /><br />As you are not appropriately qualified in aviation matters an your argument has just been undermined by on page from Lloyds Loading List I will leave you to carry on misinforming the Thanet because you do not qualify for peer reviewing.<br /><br />END<br /><br />PS I have not undermined the Avia Report Dr. Dixon, Mr Nunn from PINS and events have done that,so I suggest that you take the matter up with the, I will let events be your judge. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17937356973037817329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-4175167355972532772017-08-05T19:17:23.753+01:002017-08-05T19:17:23.753+01:00Not want to answer as to your qualifications yet f...Not want to answer as to your qualifications yet feel qualified to trash two separate reports based on facts readily available from the CAA. Sally Dixons says peer reviewed yet this is the person who wrote up Infertil's report which failed to help the sale by Price Waterhouse for 22 months. Sally Dixon's report has its own disclaimer so hardly unusual. <br />CAA figures show Airfreight in the UK has flatlined for 10 years, easily checked yet Dr Dixon doesn't mention this.<br />67% of that airfreight is Heathrow's belly freight and was mentioned then ignored as Freudmann already said that wasn't the market he was after.<br />East Midlands, Stanstead and Southend are not capped as they state on their own websites which you should take a look at because they directly contradict Sally Dixon's accounts. Also nowhere in her report does she provide any proof of freight going across the channel to european airports.<br />Sally Dixon can post on here should she so desire however as she is unlikely to be paid for it I suspect she will not bother.<br />I do have a degree in accounting and can think of several reasons why this consortia is interested however none involve running an airport.<br />There is a reason for hiding the ownership of RSP in Belize, I'm sure that in the fullness of time this will become apparent LOLGod help ushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726756701964575422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-67453150524773038712017-08-05T18:47:15.734+01:002017-08-05T18:47:15.734+01:00Barry, sorry, that should be £450k. Rough checks b...Barry, sorry, that should be £450k. Rough checks based on experience of the cost of team of commercial lawyers including a QC should allow you to accept T.F's account of the cost which is available online on the Suma website.<br /><br />With reference to the above blog,you seem to have missed or ignored the thrust of Dr Dixon's argument which is, that the cargo demand is not in the air; it is on the roads, because all the airports in SE England are either capped or at capacity causing freight for the UK to be delivered in Frankfurt or other European airports and driven here. All of the data for this is available on the RSP website "documents page" in the form of the Azimouth Associates Reports which are peer reviewed and open sourced (unlike the Avia Report which is not peer reviewed, does not disclose many of it's sources and has and disclaimer saying that it "must not be used for planning purposes") along with the post Brexit cargo expansion numbers). Please note that Heathrow accepts belly cargo, not cargo freighters as Manston will do.<br /><br />You are correct in your assumption that I am "just a member of the public", it is not me, however that is criticising your submission (so don't worry about me), it it you who are criticising Dr Dixon's submission as presented in " Manston Airport, a regional and national asset, volumes 1-5" so I suggest, therefore, (as you are confident enough to put your work into the public domain), that you contact Dr Dixon and ask her to peer review your work in the same way that she put hers up for open review. Then let Dr Dixon comment here. <br /><br />Finally, (while you are arranging that) I would like to mention common sense; why do you think that a consortium of venture capitalists (specialists) are planning to do this? to loose money? Why do you think that a firm of DCO specialist lawyers with a 100% 16/16 DCO success rate took on the project, because they expect to loose? Think about it!<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17937356973037817329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-1973283291460205302017-08-05T18:14:06.295+01:002017-08-05T18:14:06.295+01:00BTW CAA says airfreight in UK has flatlined for la...BTW CAA says airfreight in UK has flatlined for last 10 years, I wonder why Sally didn't include that figure?God help ushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726756701964575422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-22584056495472832582017-08-05T16:33:19.858+01:002017-08-05T16:33:19.858+01:00Julian as a member of the public would you care to...Julian as a member of the public would you care to post your qualifications seeing as you want to trash mine I'd like the same chance as you have been given. Can you make sure the qualifications are verifiable Thanks. Also I suspect RSP paid a lot more than that at the "PINS Appeal". Also can you post the verifiable proof that RSP have spent any money on this jaunt and just where there money has come from Thanks. Throwing out one liners is easy but not so easy to show the proof CAA figures are for you to look at however if you cannot do the maths then I'm afraid I cannot help youGod help ushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726756701964575422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-6882092665130413372017-08-05T16:28:30.594+01:002017-08-05T16:28:30.594+01:00Sally Dixon does what the client wants and pays fo...Sally Dixon does what the client wants and pays for. Avia had the same information and said that opening Manston would get the same result. She isn't an aviation specialist at all she has NEVER run an aviation business so expert she isn't. Peer reviewed by whom BTW?God help ushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726756701964575422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3161305991548017429.post-90485899776734071632017-08-05T10:08:31.398+01:002017-08-05T10:08:31.398+01:00SHP lost £42 million on their last project (Wynyar...SHP lost £42 million on their last project (Wynyard Park). The company was wound up by Musgrave as "not a going concern" with the losses being absorbed by the "lucky" group, they the spent about £10 million buying Manston. Discovery Park is an asset and was unfinished, company's only sell their assets when they run out of liquidity and can't get a loan. <br /><br />RSP spent £450 on the PINS appeal and have spent £2 million so far out of the estimated £6 million required for the DCO. Dyson Bell have a 100% success rate with DCO's this is DCO number 17. <br /><br />Debate is always welcome, but nobody is putting any money on the above blog, which is just that and not a peer reviewed research document produced for a £300 million project to create the most advanced airport in the world with no requirement for scheduled night flying.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17937356973037817329noreply@blogger.com